Okay, so i have to do this befor it drive me COMPLETELY insane! So late last night in my nothing to do, i stumbled across a chat form named "Haku was a GIRL, not a boy" im not going to post all the things this guy said, but heres the site if you want to read it http://www.absoluteanime.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=20071&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Now, I i will give this guy credit, He list ALOT of valud and intresting points, i mean, some parts had me going "hmmmm" and i believe 99% Haku is a boy ((i say 99% and not 100 because, hey, its an anime, anything is possible))

So im going to respond to this guy, because the form was made over two years ago and i have no other way to get up with him and if i dont get this out, yea, chances are, im going to implode! Please, read and tell me what you think!

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First, this guy states, and i qoute ((get ready for the stupid))

"Haku showing sexual attraction toward someone. Simply put: If Haku shows sexual attraction to females, then Haku is a boy. If Haku shows sexual attraction to males, then Haku is a girl. Of course this only works on the basis that Haku is heterosexual, but this is a series that is <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">geared toward younger audiences</SPAN>. So Haku being homosexual is very unlikely, especially since Haku is about 15 years old in the series and especially since there are higher standards in America for kid shows"

*sigh* okay Where is the actually logic in this? it makes no since what so ever to say any of that, first, homosexuality is in a fucking SHIT load of anime, its populare in both america and japan, so him being gay is VERY likely. And no, the anime is not geared toword younger audiences, for a few simple reasons, one, the american version for the cartoon network is completely doubed, for example, when Haku dies and Naruto gets REAL upset he screams to Zabuza whom Naruto feeled cared little if at all on Hakus death.

"HE LOVED YOU!" while in the dubed version he screamed "HE LIVED FOR YOU!!"

Plus theres the fact in the un edited version, theres much cursing and blood shed, even in the edited version its geared towards teen, come on, "Sexy no Jutsu" and the old white haired pervy guy, come now, honestly, is that really geared towards children?

There are higher standerds for american kid shows? Come on, thats just his homophobia talking, cartoon network HAS aired shows that feature shonen ai, for example "Card Capture Sakura" With much shonen ai between Yukito (and Yue) x Touya, im not going into details about it but ill go a head at tell you this, the makers of CCS is a group called Clamp which has a thing for shonen ai and shojo ai, in Shonen Ai such as "Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle" "RG Veda" "X/1999" and im sure others. And im sure cartoon network has aired others, im just not going to look up all the animes they have aired to find a hint of shonen ai >_< i just know CCS right off hand ((love that show!))

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Okay, second part, this is what makes since, he states that Haku called himself a boy to conceal his true identity to confuse and desive his enemys, ill agree, thats a possibablity, very unlikly, as i think it would of mentioned this sometime in one of the episodes he apeared in to make sure the audience know more about him, and to develope his charater, i think it would of mentioned something about it in one of his childhood flash backs, but i will qoute something Haku said that could support this guys theory.

"...deceiving your opponent, catching them off guard, that is the art of the shinobi."

Another thing this guy states is that, if Haku where in fact a boy, he dressed like a girl to throw off his enemies, which im going to dis agree with, i believe he dressed like a girl because he liked it, it suited his personality ((the pink yukata)) Soft, gental, pure, innocent, the list goes on. PLUS a Yukata is worn by both men and women, so in all reality, he didnt dress like a girl, he just wore a girly color, but, i mean, both gay and straight guys wear pink, even here in america.

Another he says is its possible that Haku said he was a boy so other guys wouldnt hit on him, well, why would he dress like a girl then? it obvously didnt work out to well when naruto started crushing on Haku ((befor he found out Haku was a boy))

Another thing he says, which is in two parts, one makes since and i could agree with the other doesnt and i dont agree with, one with that Haku.

"Haku thinking of herself as Zabuza's female companion would be <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">less productive</SPAN> than thinking of herself as a tool. To do this, referring to her as a male could actually be a way of eliminating the gender differences and any possible sexual tension between them. In this way Haku changed in order to please Zabuza and make him more comfortable, which was her primary goal after joining up with him."

i can understand and agree with all that isnt italics, even if Haku was a girl and pretended to be a boy, he would still be a girl, both him and Zabuza would know this, thus, not eliminating ANY sexual tention, seeing as Haku looked, dressed and at times acted like a girl, if he wanted to pretend and change to be a boy then he wouldnt of done any of that.

He also states, with pairing the the theory up above that Haku had Self loathing and resented his "female" gender, which makes no since, Haku hated his bloodline, because of the way he was treated because of his it, it had nothing to do with the fact he was male of female, but everything to do with that fact he was torchured and hated and completely outcasted because of his bloodline.

Okay, heres something else kind of realted the the above issues, he states that after Haku is deffeated he starts calling himself a person, and no longer a boy ((and in different parts in the manga and anime he calls himself Zabuzas weapon and a kid)) well, i can call myself a person, a weapon or a kid, and still me 100% girl, he can call himself a person or a retard and still be 100% boy, this is very invalde.

And lastly on the related topics, he states

"because her present role had been taken away. She had been forced back into the state that she was in before meeting Zabuza, which was seen as worthless AND human, moreover, a <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">erson</SPAN> who was not a boy.
This is identical to the way Haku's mask falls off. It is somewhat symbolic of that. Naruto destroyed the mask and now the façade of being a boy crumbles to reveal the true self, simultaneously the weapon is broken and now all that is left is the "unwanted PERSON". Remember, Haku was facing death at that point. So facing the truth about herself could have in fact been her way of coping with her approaching death, which again leads back to the point of self-loathing. Feeling bad about herself made it easier for her to accept death."

I most agree that Haku might of reverted back to his old feelings of worthlessness, but i will say again, Haku never hated his gender, why would he revert back to something he never hated?

As for the symbolizim os his mask breaking and falling off, i believe this guy is HALF right, i agree with all of it, except for the part where he is claiming Haku is a girl lol.

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Okay now is the part he bring up where Haku in fact tells Naruto himself he is a boy, he is claiming however

"You may ask how that could do anything but help that theory let alone hinder it. This is because if Haku had been a boy, then when Haku told Naruto that she was a boy it would not make any sense, and it would be a contradiction of the facts in the series. First of all, it would contradict Haku's nindo, which was to deceive the enemy, not tell them the truth. Second, it would contradict the efforts to look like a girl. Obviously had Haku been a boy, Haku's appearance as a girl would have been a disguise. Yet the disguise and all effort to present and maintain it would be contradicted and made worthless by revealing the true gender. Third, this would put Haku at great risk of being discovered as Zabuza's partner, and it would give Naruto true information to pass on to any trackers that could have questioned him. This is why Haku telling Naruto the truth does not make sense in the context of the series."

true, Haku is one for desiving his enemies, and true he could of dressed like a girl to fool his enemies.

Wasnt him he claimed Haku wanted to be a boy and prenteded to be in order to change his true gender? Also i could add for Hakus want to desive his enemies, wouldnt it make more since, that Haku was a boy dressing like a girl to fool his enemies? it makes little since to say Haku is fooling his enemies by being a girl and dressing like a girl. And as for Haku telling Naruto that he was a boy, is because he was a boy, and probably doesnt like it when others think he is a girl, i wouldnt like it if others thought i was a boy.

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Okay, wow, now the lack of breast....geez, okay, ill go here, i will, Haku has none, and he blames it on genatics, okay, honestly, Haku AND his mother werent that importent to the show, do you think they really would of gone that far into it? Plus, its an anime, genatics mean NOTHING in anime.

And he says something about the lack of an adams apple, which, again, is an anime thing, he is a PURE example of a bishonen, and in most bishonen casess adams apples airnt visable to mantain a"Beautiful" "femana" appearance, its just how animes are sometimes.

Another thing he states about her apperance is.

"Haku's appearance is perhaps the second strongest argument for the Geishaku, and this is because Haku looked exactly like a girl. Haku was drawn with the same art style or character design used to draw female characters, Haku also has long hair, feathered eyelashes, painted finger and toenails, girl clothing, and platform sandals."

All of that is true, BUT, come now, look at Itachi, all of that is true for him, cept for the female cloths part, but then, as i have stated Haku never wears girls cloths his Yukata is designed for both males and females and his fighting outfit is...well...a fighting outfit, looks like it could be for both boys and girls to. Again i will state the Bishonen fact, MOST bishonens have all if not most of thoughs quialitys, again, its an anime thing.

Another thing he states is Zabuza wouldnt let a boy who dressed like a boy be his partner, why the hell wouldnt he? Haku is loyal, stronge and unique in his powers, im sure Zabuza could care less about what the kid wore as long as it didnt hender his fighting abilites.

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Speaking of Zabuza, he goes on to another part to say

"Zabuza probably felt better about himself thinking Haku was a boy"

Come now, its Zabuza, Zabuza is suppost to be a heartless demon, would a heartless demon really care if he went easy on a girl or a boy, if that were the case, he would of gone easy on Haku because he is a kid ((Theres an 11 year differeance between the two, with Haku being 15 and Zabuza being 26)) PLUS!! Zabuza killed over 100 students in his class, do you really think all 100 of thoughs kids where male? no, at lest one was female, and he probably killed her with no guilt, remorse or anything of the sort, so im sure he wouldnt care if he trained a girl to teach "her" "everything he knows".

He also says that other underestamate female ninjas or "kunoichi" Which is in fact true, BUT this im going to dis agree with

" Perhaps seeing what is thought to be a boy dressed like a girl makes some opponents take Haku as a joke, just as Gatou's bodyguards did"

im not sure if he is saying that in this theory its possiable Haku is a male, but, im going to go a head and say Gatou's and his bodyguards took Haku as a "Joke" because of his age, he was 15, and im sure they thought that to be funny since all of them where full grown adults, and most adults thinking a kid with power is a complete joke.

And lastly on this topic he says

"It proves that before death, the image that he recalled to memory of Haku was not the one that could be seen as a boy. It was not the "boy" that he trained to be a killer. It was in fact the Haku that Naruto saw as a girl, and this image proves that Zabuza remembered Haku for who she truly was, a FEMALE!!!"

True, At Zabuza's time of dying he sees Haku in his Yukata, not his fighting gear as the boy he trained to be a killer, but instead, as the boy Haku truly was, the gental, kind, pure hearted soul, the REAL Haku. And when Did Naruto see Haku as a girl, at this point i mean, he was pretty firm on "HE LOVED YOU" so im guessing he saw and still seeing our little Haku as a boy.

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Okay in this section he, once again, lets his homophoibia and homosexual ignorance show, claming that he shows sexual intrest in a boy, thus proving he was a girl....what? arg, Haku was GAY, maybe not even Gay but he did love, or have a higher degree of feelings for zabuza, just because he loved a boy doesnt make him female, i feel in love ((okay it wasnt love but i had a MAJOR crush on her)) with a girl once, so am i a boy? no, im pretty DAMN sure im not.

Prepaired to be amazed by this stupidity, and probably slightly agreed, like myself

"So I guess it comes down to the choice between thinking that a cartoon geared toward kids has gay characters or normal characters. Zabuza and Haku were better than that, as were the writers, and it would not make any sense if these two characters were gay because it would not fit the facts of the series at all. Believe it!"

once again, the original anime was NOT geared towards kids, and Normal characters?! Gay people airnt normal?! wow, i wonder if he realises the meaning of homophobia is "ones insecuritys with ones on sexuality" grow up. And they where BETTER then that and so where there writters?! WHAT THE FUCK?!?! that just pisses me off, im going to have to say, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, theres are AMAZING gay and bisexual people out there, get that stick out your ass and again, grow up, stop letting your homophobia sheld you from the real world and the real facts. GROW THE FUCK UP!!

and if they where gay it wouldnt fit the facts how the show? how does two minor characters sexuality effect the show in anyway? after they die, for the most part, they are forgotten, cept for a flash back of kimmimarus, which, when they apear holds no real importance.

Again with his homophobia, this time he is bringing up japans cultrue saying

"there were also many who disapproved of it strongly. This is especially true of today's Japan."

WRONG!! with a big old W, japan is one of the only places that doesnt care about ones sexuality, its here in america that its really cared about, in fact, japan accepts it more then any other place, learn you a book sweety ^_^

okay, he goes onto say things about how gay guys dressing like girls to uptain a since or normality, which in SAME cases are true, yes, but in this ANIME Haku is a proud boy ((though very bishonen he is)) i dont think he would dress like a girl to maintan the since of normality that he has never had.

Also he states for Zabuza

"Does anyone really think that an entire country would follow the leadership of a gay man?"

these Ninja's dont care about sexuality or anything of thr sort, what matters is if you are powerful, and yes, if Zabuza was powerful enough, and gay, they would follow his leadership, a persons sexuality doesnt make them any weaker or any stronger, thus, they wouldnt care.

He also states that its possiable Haku calms to be a girl to protect his relationship with zabuza and zabuzas character, there are TWO things wrong with this, one, Haku NEVER EVER clams to be a girl, never, and two, even if Zabuza was gay, it wouldnt effect his character, he would still be the same person.

and now he is claming that where Haku's idea to dress like a female could of possible come from, since as he believes, neither of them are gay ((because of course all gay men dress like women and prance around all girly like)) AGAIN i will state, though he looks girly, he doesnt dress like a girl, and prehapes he dresses girly because he likes it? I dress "Gothic" because i like it.

okay, now he is saying

"However Haku ended up dressing and acting like a girl regardless of Zabuza, why is this? most logical answr, HAKUS A GIRL!"

*sigh* i hate repeating myself over and over, but, ill state, once more, Haku didnt dress like a girl, though even i have to admit he acted girly, but, really, it wasnt all girly, he was just polite and kind, most logical answer, Haku is a beautiful boy, inside and out, just because he doesnt act like a brutish boy doesnt make him a girl.

Here he makes some since

"Logically, Zabuza would want a queen to rule beside him or at the very least he would want a MOTHER of his children! This is where Haku would serve him once again and have yet another purpose for the rest of her life! This would not be possible with a boy Haku, which means that the love Haku felt for Zabuza could only exist if Haku had been a female, since a girl Haku is the only one Zabuza could have a romantic relationship with. Since that love DID exist, it proves that Haku was female."

True, i think Zabuza would want a queen to help him rule and someone to mother his children, i dont doudt that, but, as most of us know, one can not help who one falls in love with, what you want and what you love can be two completely different things.

And saying that the love Zabuza had for Haku couldnt of been romantic if Haku was a boy? Why not? Love comes in all forms, two boy, two girl, and boy and girl, love is love, lose the hate hun.

okay, now he is back on the breast issue, claming to have found a picture where it show "her" boobs, which is iralvent, because of his outfit, for example, Kurama from Yu Yu hakusho, at more then one point, BECAUSE of his outfit makes it seem like he has boobies, but as we all should know, Kurama is a boy, certain kimonos give off boob like apearances and Hakus Yukata is one of them.

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CONCLUTION!!! Haku, is in fact, a boy!

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WOW IM DONE!!! took me almost THREE FUCKING HOURS!!SORRY FOR ANY SPELLING MISTAKES!!

i feel like i had good points, it drove me crazy last night, i even dreamed about Haku >_< I hope one day to talk to this "Mr.Believe it!" and tell him all my points and theories! Well, if you read it, THANK FUCKING YOU!!! omg thank you thank you thank!! and please please please tell me what you think!